SuSanA - Forum Kunena Site Syndication http://www.forum.susana.org/ Thu, 30 Oct 2014 23:51:08 +0000 Kunena 1.6 http://www.forum.susana.org/components/com_kunena/template/default/images/icons/rss.png SuSanA - Forum http://www.forum.susana.org/ en-gb Sanitation Research for the 21st Century, 18th Nov, London - by: AParker http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10761-sanitation-research-for-the-21st-century-18th-nov-london#10761 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10761-sanitation-research-for-the-21st-century-18th-nov-london#10761
Staged within the WSUP “My Toilet” photography exhibition space, this exciting event will offer an opportunity to catch up on the multi-faceted sanitation research currently being carried out by WSUP and Cranfield University: find out what we and our partners are doing, and help us decide where we should be going. Come along and hear about projects ranging from experimental comparisons of different low-cost sludge treatment technologies; through evaluations of the health impact of a major urban sanitation programme; to a study of the effectiveness of different approaches to encourage city councils to spend more on sanitation. You’ll hear short pitches on 10 projects, and you’ll vote to identify the most useful. Refreshments will be provided. Only 50 places available: book now via Eventbrite!]]>
Events Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:46:56 +0000
Help fund the 25$ portable washing-machine from India - by: JKMakowka http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10760-help-fund-the-25-portable-washing-machine-from-india#10760 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10760-help-fund-the-25-portable-washing-machine-from-india#10760
trak.in/tags/business/2014/10/29/portabl...ne-priced-rs1500-25/

www.indiegogo.com/projects/unique-bucket...mini-washing-machine

Interestingly they also specifically mention it as saving water compared to regular hand-washing and also being more hygienic when washing things separately.

Sadly no solar powered version yet ]]>
Health, hygiene and disability issues Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:19:31 +0000
Re: Survey to help with final year product design project on sanitation within a developing country. - by: BStalker http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10713-survey-to-help-with-final-year-product-design-project-on-sanitation-within-a-developing-country#10759 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10713-survey-to-help-with-final-year-product-design-project-on-sanitation-within-a-developing-country#10759
I was there for that, was funny to see]]>
Health, hygiene and disability issues Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:13:43 +0000
Re: Survey to help with final year product design project on sanitation within a developing country. - by: JKMakowka http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10713-survey-to-help-with-final-year-product-design-project-on-sanitation-within-a-developing-country#10758 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10713-survey-to-help-with-final-year-product-design-project-on-sanitation-within-a-developing-country#10758


Future FSM entrepreneurs at work in Kampala (was taken on the World Water Day earlier this year).]]>
Health, hygiene and disability issues Thu, 30 Oct 2014 15:09:34 +0000
Re: Questionnaire on Inclusive WASH in schools in low income countries - by: darao http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/93-inclusive-sanitation-people-with-disabilities/10686-questionnaire-on-inclusive-wash-in-schools-in-low-income-countries#10757 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/93-inclusive-sanitation-people-with-disabilities/10686-questionnaire-on-inclusive-wash-in-schools-in-low-income-countries#10757
thank you very much for sharing the link and documents.
"Fit for school" provide good example to understand current progress, approach and practice of school hygiene as part of collaborative effort to improve all health related practices of school children.
It will be very interesting when " Future collaboration with the water and sanitation sector is expected to result in improved sanitation facilities and further community development". happens with consideration of participation of children disabilities.
Yes, we have a long way to go!

regards,

Daisuke]]>
Inclusive sanitation (people with disabilities) Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:41:16 +0000
Event: WASH Zukunftsforum 2014 in Bonn, Germany - by: secretariat http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10756-event-wash-zukunftsforum-2014-in-bonn-germany#10756 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10756-event-wash-zukunftsforum-2014-in-bonn-germany#10756 German WASH Network is organising a meet for discussing the future of WASH (post 2015-era), political setting and the implementing organisations during 10 - 11 November in Bonn, Germany.

Venue:
Deutsche Welle Bonn – Gremiensaal
Kurt-Schumacher-Str. 3
53113 Bonn

The meeting will be held in German.

Please click the following link for registration: eepurl.com/6D3GP
The meeting agenda will be available shortly.

(Posted by Shobana)]]>
Events Thu, 30 Oct 2014 12:07:38 +0000
Re: Disability and inclusion- follow on from the webinar - by: Petra http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10754-disability-and-inclusion-follow-on-from-the-webinar#10755 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10754-disability-and-inclusion-follow-on-from-the-webinar#10755 www.communityledtotalsanitation.org/reso...clts-fully-inclusive]]> Health, hygiene and disability issues Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:29:15 +0000 Disability and inclusion- follow on from the webinar - by: Petra http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10754-disability-and-inclusion-follow-on-from-the-webinar#10754 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/26-health-hygiene-and-disability-issues/10754-disability-and-inclusion-follow-on-from-the-webinar#10754
Petra]]>
Health, hygiene and disability issues Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:27:17 +0000
Re: Software to identify and quantify pathogenic helminth eggs (University Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México (UNAM), Mexico) - by: muench http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/97-enabling-environment/2912-software-to-identify-and-quantify-pathogenic-helminth-eggs-university-universidad-nacional-autonoma-de-mexico-unam-mexico#10753 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/97-enabling-environment/2912-software-to-identify-and-quantify-pathogenic-helminth-eggs-university-universidad-nacional-autonoma-de-mexico-unam-mexico#10753
I am learning so much about helminth infections from you in this thread, it is really great. Thank you very much!

I just have a small question about the table that you attached above (I attach a modified version of the table, that you sent me by e-mail, below). Maybe it is a silly question.
But you have listed the infections with various types of intestinal worms (helminths) and then added them up. In sum it came to 3.5 billion people - half the global population!
But could it be that the same person is infected with two more more different helminth species, in which case the sum of people infected should be lower? Or is it the case of "once infected with worm A then worm B takes a different host"?)

By the way for the interest of others: Cati and I are currently looking at how to improve the relevant Wikipedia pages on this complex topic, in particular these ones:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminths
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helminthiasis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soil-transmitted_helminthiasis
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascaris
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascariasis

The problem already starts with the naming convention, some people say helminthosis, others say helminthiasis (Cati explained to me that the -osis version would be the preferred one according to some experts who have published about this).

If anyone knows any people who have a special interest in intestinal worms and sanitation, please point them my way (or point them to this thread here) as I need any additional help I can get in getting the information on Wikipedia (which is already very good) in an even better shape (i.e. with more explanations regarding what improved sanitation could do to reduce these infections).

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Enabling environment Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:27:18 +0000
Photo Competition: Picturing CLTS - by: Petra http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/51-announcements/10752-photo-competition-picturing-clts#10752 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/51-announcements/10752-photo-competition-picturing-clts#10752
  • depict the CLTS approach and/or show different types of CLTS activities,
  • tell a story about what has happened as a result of CLTS,
  • speak to one of the key issues and themes in CLTS, for example: sustainability, monitoring, verification, post-triggering follow up, Natural Leaders, SLTS, urban CLTS, equity and inclusion, etc
  • illustrate related aspects of sanitation and hygiene, eg menstrual hygiene management, handwashing, etc

The winning entries will be published in a special feature on the CLTS website. Both winning and non-winning photos will be used on our website and in other published materials with full credit to the photographer, so by submitting an image you are giving us permission to use the photo in this way.

The judging
Photographs will be judged by the CLTS Knowledge Hub. They will be marked according to:

  • Their content, i.e. their relevance to subject.
  • Their ability to show aspects of and/or tell a story about CLTS as per the criteria listed above

Prizes
1st prize: Choice of one of the following books on sanitation:

Rose George The Big Necessity,
Maggie Black and Ben Fawcett The Last Taboo,
Steven Johnson The Ghost Map

2nd prize: Toilets Around the World 2015 Calendar
3rd prize: A set of Frontiers publications in your language of choice

Who can enter and how to submit?
Anyone who has some involvement with, experience of, or interest in CLTS is welcome to send images. Send up to a maximum of three photos by email to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it with the subject line CLTS Photo Competition by 19th November 2014.

Submission requirements
  • Size: At least 1MB
  • Print resolution: 300 dpi
  • Format: JPEG or PNG file
  • Landscape and portrait images are acceptable
  • Although some digital enhancement is acceptable we cannot accept images that have been digitally altered to change what is portrayed.
  • Images respect the integrity and dignity of the people depicted

Send each photo separately and include in your message the following information:

  • Name of photographer and contact email:
  • Title of photograph:
  • Location (country and city/town/village where photograph was taken):
  • Date (if unknown, please provide the year) each photograph was taken:
  • The level of consent provided from any people pictured in the photo

Submit your entry: All images should be emailed to This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it by 19th November 2014. We look forward to receiving your entries.

More info and a flyer are available here www.communityledtotalsanitation.org/stor...ts-photo-competition]]>
Announcements Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:17:07 +0000
Re: Seminar: Rural Sanitation in Brazil and Latin America, Vitória - BR - by: JKMakowka http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10744-seminar-rural-sanitation-in-brazil-and-latin-america-vitoria-br#10751 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/21-events/10744-seminar-rural-sanitation-in-brazil-and-latin-america-vitoria-br#10751
Can't make it for this one, but I will be in South America (mainly Chile, Peru and Bolivia) for a few months starting in December and I hope there are some interesting sustainable sanitation related events or projects I can visit. Suggestions are welcome.]]>
Events Thu, 30 Oct 2014 00:25:56 +0000
Re: UDDT Wikipedia Page - by: muench http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10743-uddt-wikipedia-page#10750 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10743-uddt-wikipedia-page#10750 en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urine...wer-based_sanitation

Made me realise we might need a separate page on reuse activities from UDDTs eventually or expand this section which is currently rather brief:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Urine...e_of_treated_excreta]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Wed, 29 Oct 2014 23:21:40 +0000
Re: UDDT Wikipedia Page - by: muench http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10743-uddt-wikipedia-page#10749 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10743-uddt-wikipedia-page#10749
OK, so now about the detailed reactions to your proposed changes to the Wikipedia page on UDDTs (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine-diverting_dry_toilet):

In your post above, the things marked in green are all things I could easily agree with and I have already made the necessary changes as follows:

  • I am trying to consistently use vault, but mentioned a few times that "chamber" is an alternative word. "Container" is something that could be inside of a vault or a stand-alone thing.
  • About the low cost thing, well I don't like to call UDDTs "low cost" because it depends what you compare it with. Many people who normally build pit latrines have said to me that UDDTs are too expensive for them! I have added information about the issue of costs in a separate section on costs now. I also cited a paper by Christoph Platzer from 2008 here. If there are other good papers to quote on the issue of costs and cost comparisons (UDDTs versus sewers), please let me know.
  • Have added "urine-diverting desiccation toilet" as an alternative term (even though I had never heard about it before). Also added the information on toilets with powered fans.
  • Added your suggestions on alternative cover materials.
  • Added your suggestions of why people in the global North might choose UDDTs. By the way, I am not familiar with the terms "majority world" and "minority world". I just got used to global North and global South...
  • About the handling of excreta (Point 12): good point, I have amended that like you suggested.
  • All the other things in green in your post above, I have taken on board and changed in the article already now.

OK, now onto the things that I haven't yet taken on board because I do not really agree with are:

I am not sure if we really need to introduce the term "ecological toilet" as in my opinion this is ill-defined and in a way not really "neutral". It's like saying an "eco toilet". I prefer to call them UDDTs and say they are a type of dry toilet (see Wikipedia page on dry toilets: www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_toilet)

Your point 11 about the challenges, I partly agree with it, but other parts I find too "subjective"/promotional, like we are really trying to push a UDDT onto everyone. I think the article needs to be neutral and not get too carried away. Also not sure how the word "ick"-factor could be translated and which references to cite exactly.

Things like this I find too biased for a Wikipedia article:

limitations that are associated with legacy sanitation systems and the real need to conserve water, addressing the institutional inertia that complicates the transition to more sustainable systems which, in the case of sanitation, is manifested by the extensive infrastructure and associated long term debt that are generally synonymous with the development of onsite septic systems


You also said:

You included a “Comparison with Pit Latrines” section. Should there perhaps also be a section entitled “Comparison with Legacy Septic Systems, Sewers and Wastewater Treatment Plants”?


And then you add a big long section which basically condemns sewer systems... This in my opinion is taking things too far away from the UDDT page.

If anything, you could add some of those criticims to the Wikipedia page on sewers or the related pages? :
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewerage

Keep in mind that it's not good Wikipedia style to write a whole paragraph and then to add some references underneath, but rather you should be able to provide a reference for pretty much each sentence, particularly if it's a potentially controversial statement!

By the way, you might like to help clean up the Wikipedia article on sewage sludge, it is a bit all over the place, and some people from the US heavily criticising land application of sludge in the US (which I think you would agree with) and then others on the Talk page are complaining about ideologists, etc.:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sludge
(the neutrality of this article is disputed and it is too focussed on the situation in the US)

Also keep in mind that when you provide sources for statements, they should not be blogs and newspaper articles but proper reports, books (ISBN numbers are good), review journal articles (not just one singular article, ideally).

The information you provided is interesting but goes too far into details on sewerage systems and therefore does not belong on a UDDT page in my opinion. Maybe only a short essence of it, what UDDTs would avoid, e.g. pharmaceutical residues in wastewater effluent could be reduced if people used UDDTs and the pharmaceutical residues rather stayed in the excreta and then on the land. Yes, that could be added (we could cite the GIZ technology review on urine diversion for that statement).

So I can follow you on some small aspects regarding your UDDT versus sewerage comparison but not on the majority of it. Remember also that sewers deal with more than just excreta (also with greywater, stormwater and industrial effluent) so the comparison of UDDT versus sewerage is never really comparing apples with apples.

So this is my feedback on your feedback. Thanks a lot and let's continue the conversation, either here or on the talk pages of the Wikipedia on UDDTs or on sewers/sewerage/wastewater treatment plants etc.

And to everyone else I invite you to also take a look at the UDDT page which Kai helped me to improve and which looks like this now:
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine-diverting_dry_toilet

Who has further comments or suggestions for improvements?
Who is bold and makes changes directly on the Wikipedia page itself by following the simple guidelines that I listed in the post above this one?

Remember that Wikipedia pages usually come out at the top of Google searches (this page not yet, because it is still new), so wouldn't it be a lost opportunity not to have a good page on UDDTs?

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:33:46 +0000
Re: UDDT Wikipedia Page - by: muench http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10743-uddt-wikipedia-page#10748 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/34-urine-diversion-systems-includes-uddt-and-ud-flush-toilet/10743-uddt-wikipedia-page#10748
Thanks for your detailed feedback about the Wikipedia article about UDDTs that I put together one evening (took me about 3 hours) to be a starting point for such a page:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine-diverting_dry_toilet

I am really happy that you have spent some time on making suggestions, and you know that if you have a good internet access you could make all these changes yourself, too.

However, to avoid disappointment I would always recommend to first put your ideas (if they are major changes) on the Talk page associated with this article (you find it on the top left side), where things can be discussed before a change is made.

In fact, before I now go into detail on how I would address your suggestions, let me first give a little run-down on what to keep in mind when editing Wikipedia articles (I have also attached this list as a Word document in case you want to forward it to someone else) - it's like a mini-tutorial:

Some important things to keep in mind for writing on Wikipedia:

  • We are meant to write for the general public – short sentences, easy to understand, no jargon.
  • We are meant to write in a neutral way, no advertising, no promotional stuff! If there are conflicting views we should state them both.
  • We should not be biased but objective and neutral.
  • We should use our own words, not copy from elsewhere (I think copying one’s own words, e.g. from a forum post that I have written, should be acceptable – but the general rule is to rather write from scratch. I have copied some sentences that we had written in the tech review, and then if needed adjusted the language. Copying whole sections from our other documents is not recommended).
  • We are meant to provide references for most of our statements (even if for us they are standard knowledge things!).
  • The citation goes after the full stop.
  • We should note cite posts from the discussion forum; Preferred references are high quality sources; what they (Wikipedia admins) like the most are documents with ISBN numbers and review articles in journals (i.e. not primary research articles) – this comes from the medical field, it’s a bit different in the sanitation field where we anyway don’t rely on journal papers so much.
  • The external links list should be used sparingly and should be short – we don’t want a list of any NGO that has ever built a UDDT.
  • The “See also” list is not recommended, although you see it in quite a few articles of other people. I normally don’t use a See Also list.
  • Referencing a blog is not ideal but I guess it can be done in exceptional cases (I see others do it too, but it not the preference of Wikipedia policy)
  • If you have doubts about something or are planning a larger change, then it is usually better to first talk about it on the “Talk page”: each Wikipedia article has a “take page” associated with it; it is a tab at the top left called “Talk”.
  • You can also view the “history” tab to see who has changed what in the past and also access the view statistics.
  • You can also “watch” a page to be notified of future changes. I am of course “watching” all the pages that I worked on recently.


I guess these are the main things I have learnt so far from James Heilman who has helped me with the pages I have edited so far.

This one is an interesting link, it is the manual of style that James and others have developed for their Wikiproject Medicine:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_o...ine-related_articles

I will now put details about the UDDT Wikipedia page into a separate post after this one.

Regards,
Elisabeth]]>
Urine diversion systems (includes UDDT and UD flush toilet) Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:10:40 +0000
Re: Health information on Wikipedia is going from strength to strength - can we do the same for sanitation (together with others)? - by: muench http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10174-health-information-on-wikipedia-is-going-from-strength-to-strength-can-we-do-the-same-for-sanitation-together-with-others?limit=12&start=36#10747 http://www.forum.susana.org/forum/categories/39-any-other-topic-related-to-sanitation-or-to-susana/10174-health-information-on-wikipedia-is-going-from-strength-to-strength-can-we-do-the-same-for-sanitation-together-with-others?limit=12&start=36#10747 Wikipedia Emerges as Trusted Internet Source for Ebola Information

www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/business/medi...-on-ebola-.html?_r=1

Three sections that I found particularly important:

The initial skepticism about Wikipedia was mainly structural: how could you trust an article in an “encyclopedia that anyone can edit?” The growing confidence in the site — certainly when it comes to public health articles — in part reflects the fact that much of Wikipedia is not edited by just “anyone.”

“Wikipedia is a do-ocracy,” said Dr. James Heilman, an emergency room doctor from British Columbia, Canada, who leads the Wikiproject Medicine that keeps close watch on the most important public health articles, like Ebola Virus Disease. “Those who do the most, do have a greater influence.”

Many impediments exist to someone casually editing the Ebola article. Only registered Wikipedia editors with at least some experience are permitted to edit the page, and the requirement for sourcing is much more rigorous than for other Wikipedia entries. Newspaper articles, for example, do not cut it.

“A key group of us keep an eye on articles that have become more popular to make sure that Wikipedia’s most-read content is of a reasonably high standard,” Dr. Heilman said.


and

That well-schooled contributor pool is only going to get bigger starting on Monday, when the University of California, San Francisco, begins an elective class for fourth-year medical students that focuses on Wikipedia editing.


and

“I now believe it should be our professional duty to contribute to Wikipedia — one of the fastest ways we can improve the health of our entire planet!” he wrote by email.


Are we just witnessing quite a revolution in the way public health information is spread? And is sanitation (with all its facets) not an integral part of public health?

Regards
Elisabeth]]>
Any other topic related to sanitation or to SuSanA Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:57:19 +0000